five, six town hall meetings, every meeting, american legion members, like john mccain said, people who have been deployed and are deployed, people in the reserve, one young man comes up to me and said, i was deployed five times with the same mission. he said, i am glad i am out. i knew i was going to be in harm's way. that's why i signed up. edbut today, i don't think they would have my back. if that's dispriew that started -- if that's true and that starts to fester, i would hate to see any president bear that burden and have that continue with anybody in harm's way, whether it be the intelligence community, state department or men and women in uniform. >> greta: it's hard to tell, what if anything they did do. the problem is, we can't seem to get-- the president hasn't sat down and plained what happened. it's hard to discern whether any efforts were made or whether they were reasonable to try them or anything. we are sitting in mystery. we probe for answers and we can't get them. >> thank goodness you are probing. if it wasn't for you and katherine and... >> greta: jennifer. >> yeah.